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The Leadership Podcast Why do we do this? We interview great leaders, review the books they read, and speak with highly influential authors who study them. How we do this? #1 We interview great leaders. #2 We review the books great leaders read and write. #3 We have fun!
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TLP509: Capitalism Without Ethics Is Just Chaos

Apr 29, 2026

Dr. Bill Kline is a professor of business ethics and the Executive Director of the Academy on Capitalism. He argues that capitalism and ethics aren’t separate conversations. They’re the same system.

Without ethics, there are no property rights, no enforceable contracts, and no functioning markets. Strip that...

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TLP508: Your Scars Are Your Resume

Apr 22, 2026

Matt Cavanaugh is a retired U.S. Army Lieutenant Colonel, PhD, former Army Athlete of the Year, and author of “Best Scar Wins: How You Can Be More Than You Were Before.”

Leaders often treat failures, setbacks, and scars as liabilities to hide. Matt Cavanaugh argues the opposite — that the scars you've earned, physical and emotional are the most honest measure of growth you have. The question isn't how to avoid them. It's how to use them.

In this conversation, Matt reframes what a scar really is: not a mark of defeat, but evidence of where you’ve grown. He explains why the outcomes of any serious effort are never just win or lose — they’re win, learn, or die — and why leaders who avoid failure miss the chance to build real judgment. He also makes the case that the strongest motivation isn’t personal ambition, but a mission that serves something bigger than yourself.

For any leader who's been knocked flat by a failed plan, a difficult season, or a decision they regret — this episode reframes what those moments are actually worth.

Find episode 508 on The Leadership Podcast, YouTube, or wherever you get your podcasts!

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Key Takeaways

[04:37] Matt describes a scar as proof you’ve healed and grown. He sees scars as what connect us. It’s the one thing every human shares.

[10:24] Matt explains that urgency comes from scale and proximity. When the threat is close, you act right away. He learned this in the Namib Desert with a pack much heavier than the others.

[14:58] Matt says leaders need skin in the game. You need one signal you can actually feel. Start by observing and understanding before you act.

[16:47] Matt breaks it into two modes. The war of the knife and the war of the map. One is emotional. The other is strategic. Good leaders know when to step back.

[22:07] Matt reframes kidney donation as something gained. Not something lost. He found purpose in it. And the real gift was being useful to someone else.

[29:11] Matt believes endurance matters more than courage. Courage is short. Endurance stays. Most missions are lost first in the leader’s mind.

[32:41] Matt shares that kidney donors often show higher empathy. But endurance is something anyone can build. Leaders can grow their capacity over time.

[34:41] Matt talks about the pushback at home. His wife was against the decision. He weighed the risks and trained hard. Walking away was not an option for him.

[39:18] Matt says find a real mission with real stakes. Do it with others and for others. That’s how you create scars that matter.

[41:01] And remember...“Desire is the key to motivation, but it's determination and commitment to an unrelenting pursuit of your goal - a commitment to excellence - that will enable you to attain the success you seek.” - Mario Andretti

Quotable Quotes

"A scar is the spot where you've grown more than others."

"It's not win, lose, or draw. It's win, learn, or die."

"There's nothing you can't do if you're doing it with and for others."

"More often than not, holding on a little bit longer turns out right."

"Make good scars. You'll never regret it. The rest is just Netflix on Tuesday."

"Urgency lives at the intersection of scale and proximity of threat."

"When danger is close, you act in the moment."

"Courage is momentary. Endurance is what carries you."

 

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TLP507: Disrupt or Be Buried: The Mindset That Changes Everything

Apr 15, 2026

Patrick Leddin is an army veteran, entrepreneur, and NYT and WSJ Bestselling Author. He is the co-author, with James Patterson, of “Disrupt Everything—and Win: Take Control of Your Future.”

Most leaders treat disruption as something to survive. Patrick argues that's exactly the wrong frame. The gap between leaders...

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TLP506: Retention Is Dead: The Workquake Reshaping Talent

Apr 8, 2026

Steve Cadigan is a global talent strategist, author of “Workquake: Embracing the Aftershocks of COVID-19 to Create a Better Model of Working,” and LinkedIn’s founding Chief HR Officer.

Steve believes the world of work is going through a “workquake” — a fundamental shift that’s breaking the...

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TLP505: Why Leadership Coaching So Often Fails

Apr 1, 2026

Will Linssen is the CEO of Global Coach Group, and the author of “Triple Win Leadership Coaching: The Coach’s Guide to More Impact, More Coaching, and More Clients.”

In this conversation, Will challenges the traditional model of leadership coaching. Too often, coaching focuses on the leader while leaving the team...

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